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So, 02 Oktober 2011 16:43  |
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Hello,
I have a document where the first chapter starts not until on page number 5 (the real page 5). Now, I would like this first chapter to have the number 1, but have not been able to find out how that can be done. Does someone know if this is possible? I know how to avoid page numbering until page so and so, but this trick is still a mystery.
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| Re: Start Page [Beitrag #9067 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #9060] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2011 11:55  |
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| simpleman schrieb am So, 02 Oktober 2011 16:43 |
I have a document where the first chapter starts not until on page number 5 (the real page 5). Now, I would like this first chapter to have the number 1, but have not been able to find out how that can be done.
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Provided you are willing to use styles at all (which is no longer a matter of course since ROM is turning Papyrus into an escape for literary authors who dislike MS-Word, but need every feature they do not use to be as exactly like that as possible), There are several ways to achieve this:
(1) the simplest: Do not use the paragraph style that you use for chapter headlines before you get to the right place (especially do not use the same style for the title of your document). It ought to automatically be counted as 1 - if automatic numbering is active. If it is not, try right-clicking the number to reset the count, but be prepared to do this several times over.
(2) a bit more complex: define a new paragraph style, ascribe numbering and a hierarchy level to it. Make sure no other style has the same (and perhaps even lower) level. The Moment you use this for the first time it should automatically appear as 1. If it does not, again make sure neither your document title nor any section titles on the first four pages carry the same paragraph style or a style that has the same level in the document hierarchy.
(3) If for reasons of style consistency you cannot help but use the letterstyle before, copy the paragraph style you used in the preliminaries within the styles dialogue to create a new one, assign either a lower level to it or remove the hierarchy level from the original. There are however drawbacks as regards automatically generated TOCs.
e.g. you have three sections in your preface that you want numbered. (a) Create a paragraph style for the title on level one and change the numbering pattern/formula to "[]", so the number does not show. (b) Create a paragraph style for chapters that you assign to the section headlines and set it to level two in the hierarchy, change the formula to "[][1]" or "[][i]" if you want to be traditional. (c) Assign the "title" style (a) to an empty line. (d) assign the "chapter" style (b) to your chapter headlines. They should appear as 1, 2 and so on as the program internally counts them as 2.1, 2.2 and so on but does not show the first digit, because the empty square brackets (for each level you want to skip) hide higher level. The structure of an automatically generated TOC, however, may in one way or another unveil this trick in a quite annoying way.
The easiest way out is certainly to avoid any paragraph styles that use numbering or are set to any level in the document hierarchy on the first four pages. They will, however, also be missing from the toc, unless you explicitly activate the button that makes a style appear in the TOC.
Pap.Autor (5.15), Pap.Office 2008 (13.07; lebenswichtig f. ältere Dokk. mit Stil- & Absatzvorll.)
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| Re: Start Page [Beitrag #9069 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #9068] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2011 12:44 |
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Does “number 1” refer to the page number? If so, go to Document > Document Properties > Page Offsets and set the first page number to -3. Then the first four physical pages of your document will be numbered -3, -2, -1, and 0, and your first chapter will start on page 1.[/quote]
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Yes, "number" refers to page number. I really hope it is as simple as you say. However, I actually tried this, and it didn't work. All the page numbers disappeared from the whole document. It could be I did some mistake, so I will try this again.
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Really, it seems to work. Wonderful! Thanks a lot!
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| Re: Start Page [Beitrag #9070 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #9067] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2011 12:53 |
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Even if I have been using Papyrus for some time by now, tungsten (see below) makes me realize I have just scraped on the surface as yet  Now, I was thinking of page numbering, even if I didn't state it as clearly as I should have done. Still I find your hints about chapter numbering very interesting. That will be the next step for me to take. Not until now did I realize how useful that can be, and also quite easy. I will save this for future reference. So, thanks a lot!
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Provided you are willing to use styles at all (which is no longer a matter of course since ROM is turning Papyrus into an escape for literary authors who dislike MS-Word, but need every feature they do not use to be as exactly like that as possible), There are several ways to achieve this:
(1) the simplest: Do not use the paragraph style that you use for chapter headlines before you get to the right place (especially do not use the same style for the title of your document). It ought to automatically be counted as 1 - if automatic numbering is active. If it is not, try right-clicking the number to reset the count, but be prepared to do this several times over.
(2) a bit more complex: define a new paragraph style, ascribe numbering and a hierarchy level to it. Make sure no other style has the same (and perhaps even lower) level. The Moment you use this for the first time it should automatically appear as 1. If it does not, again make sure neither your document title nor any section titles on the first four pages carry the same paragraph style or a style that has the same level in the document hierarchy.
(3) If for reasons of style consistency you cannot help but use the letterstyle before, copy the paragraph style you used in the preliminaries within the styles dialogue to create a new one, assign either a lower level to it or remove the hierarchy level from the original. There are however drawbacks as regards automatically generated TOCs.
e.g. you have three sections in your preface that you want numbered. (a) Create a paragraph style for the title on level one and change the numbering pattern/formula to "[]", so the number does not show. (b) Create a paragraph style for chapters that you assign to the section headlines and set it to level two in the hierarchy, change the formula to "[][1]" or "[][i]" if you want to be traditional. (c) Assign the "title" style (a) to an empty line. (d) assign the "chapter" style (b) to your chapter headlines. They should appear as 1, 2 and so on as the program internally counts them as 2.1, 2.2 and so on but does not show the first digit, because the empty square brackets (for each level you want to skip) hide higher level. The structure of an automatically generated TOC, however, may in one way or another unveil this trick in a quite annoying way.
The easiest way out is certainly to avoid any paragraph styles that use numbering or are set to any level in the document hierarchy on the first four pages. They will, however, also be missing from the toc, unless you explicitly activate the button that makes a style appear in the TOC.[/quote]
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| Re: Start Page [Beitrag #9072 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #9069] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2011 16:20 |
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| simpleman schrieb am Fr, 07 Oktober 2011 12:44 |
However, I actually tried this, and it didn't work. All the page numbers disappeared from the whole document. It could be I did some mistake, so I will try this again.
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In the Page Offset dialog there is a setting for "Header/Footer Starts on Page:". You may have to adjust this. Also, check the Master Page dialog if you used various master pages throughout the document. This may be affected by negative page numbers as well.
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Really, it seems to work. Wonderful! Thanks a lot!
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Oh, good. I didn't see this line at first sight.
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